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The "Real" Mitt Romney

Discussion of Mitt Romney's views toward 47% of the population

At a private fundraiser with a group of wealthy donors, Mitt Romney commented that 47% of Americans pay no taxes.  He went on to say that they consider themselves victims and expect the government to give them food and take care of them. 

He also said they don’t want to accept any personal responsibility for their lives.  He continued by saying that because of this, he wasn’t concerned at all about that group and was going to focus his attention on the independent voters. 

It seems to me that this and other statements he made at the same fundraiser present the “real” Mitt Romney, a man born into money, a man who has never had to worry about healthcare or income or anything else that so many Americans have to worry about on a daily basis, a man who has no concept of how many, many Americans live.

Within that 47% of Americans are elderly people trying to live on a fixed income, disabled people who are physically unable to work, a large number of working people whose incomes are so low that after basic deductions they have no income tax liability, and a large number of people who live in or very close to poverty. 

I think it’s extremely revealing that while he presents himself as someone who wants to represent all Americans and help to get people back to work, when he’s with his wealthy constituents, he shows that he has nothing but contempt for almost half of the American population.

It’s interesting for another reason as well.  For him and for other wealthy Americans, the tax code is ideal in that it gives them all kinds of ways to hide money or otherwise avoid paying taxes.  The devices he uses are perfectly legal, and I certainly don’t fault him for using them. 

At the same time, many of those in the 47% that he lumps in a group of people who demand entitlements pay little or no taxes because they are able to utilize exemptions and tax breaks that reduce their incomes to below taxable level.  It seems to me that if it’s ok for Mitt Romney to take advantage of the tax code, then it’s ok for everyone else as well.

Finally, Mitt Romney made his comments as a blanket statement, saying that these people pay no taxes.  He did not recognize that they pay sales taxes, gasoline taxes, state income taxes, real estate taxes, etc., and they pay payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare. 

While there probably are leeches in the system, I think it is profoundly arrogant and profoundly insulting to place 47% of the American population in that category.  Do we really want someone who actually thinks this way to occupy the White House??  Think about it.

—Chuck Teeter

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Tired of the B.S. September 20, 2012 at 07:53 PM
GM is thriving???? The single largest customer for GM is the US government. Jobs have increased for the past 28 months? Unemployment is over 8% and has been for more than 40 months. Osama is dead. Yep, he's dead, in spite of Obama, not because of Obama. I am not sure how you define recession, but I don't think we are out of it yet. Alot of people are going to get healthcare with no caps or pre-existing conditions. Alot of MIDDLE CLASS people are going to see a big jump in the amout of taxes we pay to cover this cost. Romney flip/flops Obama evolves Same thing I don't see much success here.
BUTCH September 20, 2012 at 07:56 PM
yep me and Jr the diff is he is trying to tough it out till Nov I am a 47% without a 2 million dollar second home or a elevator for the pickup and Ann's Caddy's, did TWIT REALLY say he won't round up and deport illegals or is self deport still a option? That was yesterday and today where he actually bronzed himself like BONER he is BONDING with the descendents of the boat people and the swift boaters. Do u think any OSTRICH ever checked or looked into the Mormons manifest dynasty where TWIT is the fulfillment of the WHITE HORSE PROPHESY it's better than Sci Fi but difficult for low and know info voters to check out , M Glenn Beck CK and ORRIN HATCH TWO LDS but not the biggest one HARRY reid. of the Mormon cult with his Mormon TURNED Catholic again Marco Rubio, this is their manifest dynasty
BUTCH September 20, 2012 at 07:59 PM
TWIT'S dynasty according to the LDS is on his own Planet not this one so why is he wasting time here? Good question for JAY or DAVE TO ASK GODDESS ANN NEXT WEEK.
Russ September 20, 2012 at 09:17 PM
Here is how MOBY (a success story from the ground up) feels about Mitt's 47% assumption: http://www.moby.com/journal/2012-09-19/ok-i-think-i-figured-it-out-mitt-romney.html#.UFuG8K5vaSo
Russ September 20, 2012 at 10:01 PM
Here is an interesting fact check on Mitts 47% assumption. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/fact-check-mitt-romney-47-percent_n_1893537.html and another http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57515033-503544/fact-checking-romneys-47-percent-comment/
Russ September 20, 2012 at 10:09 PM
Gee, higher tax rates than most developed countries hmmm, 30 major corporations paid no income taxes in the last 3 years, must be in the 47%. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/?mobile=nc
Deb Galarza September 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM
You are exactly right! And I don't believe for one minute that Romney was talking about everyone that is on public assistance. He's talking about the people that abuse the system. I think Romney will definitely be better for the Small Businesses and it will definitely spark the economy. I can't believe people are fooled by Obama and are wanting another four years of him. Obviously the people that want Obama in office are not hurting in this economy... if you know that I mean. We need new politicians and we need them now!
BUTCH September 20, 2012 at 11:03 PM
SHEEPLE ERNIE in the beginning TWIT'S DADDY was a leech or MOOCH, and helps explains why TWIT is only campaigning in the FLA VILLAGES and Cuban barrios WHhere they are also LOSING by 6 PTS in the latest FOX poll. Even Sara Palin had her bus tour as did every candidate since OLD HICKORY. Ernie when TWIT speaks the truth what would be the first clue? Ttwit and lyin only campaign with the Zionist vice Lord -KOCH BROS and medicare fraud king of Florida but is still losing by 5 pts in the sunshine state which is a landslide .he also is losing by double digit numbers in TWIT'S HOME STATE and guess what these numbers were pre 47% it's past time for the spineless DEM'S to play smash mouth FUTBALL on redis trinkle down tax cuts for the banksters oil and other corporate humanoids.that this Corporate vampire represents.
BUTCH September 20, 2012 at 11:13 PM
The battle for our SSA MEDICARE will resume Ias soon as the election is over make sure your TPARTY and absentee REP'S OF THE PEOPLES HOUSE do not sacrifice any of our SSA MEDICARE TO THE TPARTY and their WALL STREET hucksters who are already laying the groundwork for privatization since the 2nd DIST is not represented call the WH and tell them do not sacrifice SSA MEDICARE to the cutters, SSA AND MEDICARE HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEFICIT AT ALL NOT EVEN 00001%.
BUTCH September 20, 2012 at 11:33 PM
Vicky the debate in ISRAEL on the IRANIAN and GAZA and settlements are real, the NETANYAHU PARTY are a Minority but held together by a loose COALITION In this country the debates are controlled by the Media who are owned by political and ideological wingnuts controlled by the AIPAC and their think tanks AEI-Hudson-and others which is the NEO CHENEY LOOTER and WAR for terror and oil branch of THE NEW WORLD ORDER OR PLUTOCRACY, your feelings about OBAMA must be reflected in the loss of NO trickle down The velocity of money and the stock market are indicators about the performance of the do nothing congress and the optimism of the President he has not divided the country enough he should have stood his ground and had single payer and taxed EXXON and SHELL etc rather than allow the TPARTY TO give them rebates WE ARE PRODUCING OIL at record levels and profits and you have not blamed him for that! What the President has not done in this cycle was another pledge to keep the TParty greedy fingers off SSA. HOW do u feel about the scummy thing the 4 TPARTY SENATORS did to VET'S.?
vicky September 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Russ, Defining Obama's last 4 years in office a "true success", is beyond comical. Another brain dead Obama lover.
REAGANRAISEDTAXES September 21, 2012 at 02:59 PM
John Paul, you're obviously one of the most informed on this blog, so now that you have stated that the US " a higher corpaorate tax rate than many other developed countries", why don't you tell the crowd what % the (10) largest corporations in this country actually paid. Regards.
BUTCH September 21, 2012 at 04:17 PM
In a 05 address to the Atlas Society Congressman Lyin told the Ayn Rand devotees it was time to get behind John Galt (one or both of the Koch Bros and the other heroes of the anti collectivist movement the 0,1&) Twit and Lyin supporters Cargill, Monsanto Exxon Boeing Koch Industries CEO and chairmen the first step in abolishing anti capitalist aka slacker dependency on big brother privatize SSA and Medicare for the investor class the same BUSHEVIK scheme. Apparently or maybe he did tell mommy who was the featured prop at the gathering of Governor Scott useful idiots residents and mostly Seniors who want Obama out of their Medicare the gathering at the Villages in Fla after the nomination had a banner that read "Protect and Strengthen Medicare"
BUTCH September 21, 2012 at 06:04 PM
Dan u hit the target but I think he is using the Jack welch numbers it is already nearer 60% remember it was a guy named LAFFER who decided the rich are smarter than anyone else in this Christian nation. No one is ever going to talk about the real issue that all the economies and ecosystems are mutations and collapsed , the future 1% will be who has solved the Atomic energy waste problem and really scrub or liquidize clean coal and the abundance of fossil fuels will become apparent with the deep earth probes that will make energy as sustainable as sugarcane but how to do so on the cheap like Libyan oil is today their hand will be force when the truth on climate and global warming penetrates the shrinking hearts and smaller brains of the Wall street investors aka corporations are people too my friend whose knowledge comes from Exxon think tanks that Science is a matter of opinion". con't
Russ September 21, 2012 at 07:00 PM
Oh Vicky thats right, I forgot , you mean true success like Romney's campaign, Insulting every country he can on his whirl wind international tour, flip flopping on every subject from immigration, medicare, healthcare etc.Did I mention buying companies while at Bain then forcing them into bankruptcy and raping the employees pension funds for his profit? Hiding money in overseas accounts, insulting 47% of the country and having just about every republican candidate down the ticket denounce him .Yea, now that is what you Vicky call, "true sucess" so so funny!!!!!!!!!
Russ September 21, 2012 at 09:00 PM
@ b.s. gm made 8 billion in 2011 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/driving-it-home/the-driving-force-behind-the-gm-turnaround/article621219/ Yes jobs have increased, they would have increased more if the congress passed Obama's American jobs bill.The senate ( four republicans) recently blocked a jobs bill for our returning veterans.That is how republicans reward our troops.No jobs bill can be passed cause it will make Obama look good, to hell with the country republicans just want the power. Unemployment is at 8.1% not great, but better than the 10+% in 2009 .The economy is improving.Wallstreet has gone from 6000. to 13000 from 2008-2012. Yes Obama had the guts to give the green light to take out Osama.If that attack went wrong you,B.S., would be all over Obama blaming him and saying he totally owned it but, because it was a success you say he had nothing to do with it.Bush had 8 years and couldn't do it and Romney would be to busy changing his mind every 10 seconds trying to decide if he should. People that don't buy healthcare insurance will pay a penalty. Romney care which = Obama care has been fully implemented since 2006 with 98% of the Massachusetts citizens covered and over 60% happy with the program.
BUTCH September 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Oh my dear Deb are u OBVIOUSLY a resident of the FLA or ILLINOIS VILLAGES who gets their info and news from a HILLBILLY HEROIN abuser or simply worried about losing yer 2 million a year for life I do not think u would be blogging if it were 20, save yer leftovers and treats for the TPARTY MEETINGS i AM STUCK with all u Bloggers on the Koch Bros poisoned Planet while the Mormon Divine Bishop and draft dodger flag waver gets to go to his homeland beyond Draco after his 4 years is complete leaving us to the mercy of the MACAU vice lords and KOCH Bros polluters! Was it in the LINCOLN bedroom where the President of the USA slept with the MUSLIM BRO-HOOD? Golly this is the same bedroom where the Cheney's male hooker reporter slept with the lez daughter and the rest is?? LET'S TALK ABOUT TPARTY and VET'S CARE - PTSD and FLAG WAVERS for awhile what ta ya say? Now that we know TWIT is paying some of his BAIN INCOME TAXES WHEN DO U THINK WE WILL GET THE CAYMAN SWISS -IRISH AND LUXEMBOURG INVESTMENTS as for the wimp factor have u ever seen a more BUTCH acting humanoid than TWIT let's get serious how many DRONE STRIKES does it take to satisfy yer NETANYAHU BLOOD LUST?
BUTCH September 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Super stupid Lyin thinks every Senior is a TPARTY MORON and will buy into his snake oil prepared by the ALEC-KOCH BROS plans to loot SSA MEDICARE yesterday the privatization of SSA resumed with and ended as bad for him as it did for TWIT all week Lyin forgot to bring mom to the AARP conclave yesterday or a she would not be an effective prop as she is in the useful Village idiots home ground where they actually are 100% behind the King of MEDICARE fraud the TPARTY'S OWN GOVERNOR SCOTT.
vicky September 22, 2012 at 11:59 AM
Russ, I'm not going to keep "bickering" with you, your opinion means nothing to me. I just know total failure when I see it & Obama certainly earned that title.
vicky September 22, 2012 at 01:30 PM
Russ, I'm tired of "bickering" with you, your opinions mean nothing to me. I recognize total failure when I see it & Obama has certainly earned that title.
Bob F September 22, 2012 at 07:53 PM
Romney is pretty much on-target - the something-for-nothing people are all in the tank for 0bama and there's not much he can do about that - the race is still, as it has been since late spring, just about at 47% 0bama - 47% Romney - 6% undecided/don't care and that may not change right up until election day.
Bob F September 22, 2012 at 07:54 PM
I should add that the fix is in for 0bama here in Illinois so our opinions matter very little at the presidential level.
Russ September 23, 2012 at 04:48 AM
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BUTCH September 23, 2012 at 01:56 PM
Bob u are so insightful, the military-college kids-old timers who think they are1% or the TPARTY voters those who are senile and the village idiots and those that understand what MEDICARE is and almost all of the NRA Billy Bob's making min wage who are lifelong GOP-TPARTY Fundy's are included and could care less if they are insulted, lied to as long as the liars are good ole boys and Christians and now MORMONS! good thing too for the president Illinois is in, Fla-Pa-OH-Mich-Colorado and LYIN'S Wis are trying to do what SC-ALA-MISS-TEX OK have done put the fix in for the Plutocrat and his Oligarch Vice Lords and poisoner polluter the BROS KOCH, funny thing about the fix being in for a candidate in his home state TWIT is losing MASS so bad the TPARTY Senator is running from him, !
vicky September 23, 2012 at 02:16 PM
Whether you think your state will carry your candidate or not, still vote. Voting for Romney in Illinois even though most likely the Chicago thug will win Illinois. Politics is a strange beast, you never know what might happen.
Russ September 24, 2012 at 01:41 AM
Vicky, that is because you like the Romney Ryan campaign will not let fact checking or the real truth get in the way of their rhetoric. Have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!
Russ September 24, 2012 at 01:49 AM
Oh you mean there is no voter suppression by the republican's like in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania or Florida I think your a little behind on your polling info: http://pewresearch.org/ and Fox agrees: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-obama-lead-grows-as-romney-support-slips/ Romney is clearly falling behind
REAGANRAISEDTAXES September 24, 2012 at 03:45 PM
Bob F, the fix is not in for Obama, the voters by a 3 million + margin prefer him. Every large County in Illinois, including "Republican" DuPage voted for him. If it will make you feel better, move to Alabama where that 47% prefer the "Conservative" Mittens.
BUTCH September 25, 2012 at 05:05 AM
Imagine that TWIT the CHINESE COMMIE PARTNER of the Red Army who also has the sole MACAU CHINA vice lord as a partner who has poured 70 MILLION so far into the campaign and another 70 MILLION coming along with hundreds of millions more from Cheney and Exxon energy advisors to buy this election. These are the bosses of DUBYA RANGERS and Pioneers, this wannabe CIC is in partnership with the Red Army developing the IRANIAN gas fields and is going all out with the equally slimy NETANYAHU SCUM in threatening the Iranians yeah Cheney is sweating blood, none of the nit wit TParty village idiots who do not have Demetia have a problem that his partners have put poison in our toothpaste pet's food medicines and kids toys and beds for starters and then talks about socialism in the ER. ,
BUTCH September 25, 2012 at 05:21 AM
Twit is Mc SLIME's REVENGE on the T PARTY, who else knew? There is way to much TWIT and Lyin info to fit into 150,000 characters never mind 150 this guy if the tparty manage to steal every results of 47 States and purge 100 million voters who in their right mind will fly if he is in charge of the FAA,? This genius took 6 million from Calif hi rollers after he wondered in a interview why they did not have roll down windows on goddess, Ann's Lear Jet! Did he go to Liberty U or BYU with Akin the OBGYN? The best DEBATE Twit could have will be with MITT his position on every issue starting with health care, women's issues Latin's in FLA or ARIZONA, student loans tax reform and the devils in the details sure makes sense to the TPARTY and BILL O remember the time in the debates Huntsman called him a well oiled weather vane, but we have plenty of TPARTY intellectual critical thinker to tell us what the winner meant after they hear it from the HILLBILLY HEROIN KING. The TPARTY are not discouraged they are going to put thousands of POLL watchers or vote stealer s in thousands of pct's nationwide but it matters not he is in trouble most of them will vote for RON PAUL

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