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Don't fix the teacher pension problem by denying retired teachers their earned benefits.

An open letter to Springfield legislators from a retired teacher.

Throwing more dirt into an open grave will not resurrect the dead. Neither will asking retirees to pay more and get less resolve the massive debt that your negligence has created.

As a retired educator who worked as a public employee and paid my share into the public pension system for 34 years, I demand that you not reduce my retirement benefits that were promised to me in any way, shape, or form! Please VOTE NO on Amendment 15 to SB1673. Failure to do so will not only throw more dirt on the reputation of the government of this state and its legislators, but it will also represent the end all hope of young people entrusting themselves and their talents to the future of education, law and fire enforcement and any form of public service in Illinois where pension payments are deducted from their paychecks for future compensation.

Why should our retirees and the future benefactors of education and union pensions be denied their Constitutional right to a safe and secure retirement due to the shortsighted greed of those in whom we entrusted our future?


Lena Condic

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Kerry January 13, 2013 at 04:13 pm
Mary, if you paid enough into Social Security, you can collect your teacher pension and Social Security.
Mary Van January 13, 2013 at 04:39 pm
Kerry....no, you are wrong. That law changed (maybe about 10 years ago), and is based off of percentages. They are two public pension systems (government paid), both paid into by employees. Social security for people who don't work for a government position, and TRS, IMRF, SURS, and others systems for those employees who worked in a governement position. Honestly, I don't know how government retirement systems like IMRF and SURS work.....I know IMRF workers do pay 4.5% ss, and 4.5% IMRF, unlike TRS workers (teachers and administrators) that pay 9.4% completely into TRS....nothing goes to SS. However, teachers do pay into medicare, and can receive medicare insurance at medicare age.
Now, "juvenal" must believe TRS benefits are better than SS benefits.....and I have to say that just depends on your final position, how many degrees (depending on individual school contract), and where you retired from. Teachers retiring out of Hinsdale will have a great retirement due to the financial wealth found in that town, however teachers out of Joliet won't. There are many, many factors involved. I can say that school districts do not offer 401K and IRA, nothing of that nature....simply 9.4% into TRS. Teachers are taking a big hit for being the reason for the pension crisis that exists today....some say they are "bloated"....however, many, many groups from both sides of the aisle were at the table when the pension formulas where written.
Mary Van January 13, 2013 at 04:44 pm
Continued from above.......
Seems like no one in the state government wanted to prepare for when the "baby boomers" hit the retirement age....this should have been though of years ago, and worked on, but the state government kicked that can down the street, and here we are. There is not a single teacher out there that would disagree that there is a pension crisis. What upsets us the most is that proposals and so called solutions and rushed, and pushed through without all groups having educated input, just politicians putting a quick fix bandaid on the situation, and kicking the can further down the street for future generations to fix.....Illinois is so notorious. There is also the fact that Illinois politicians used money earmarked for state retirement funds for other projects, which is really what caused the pension crisis, but that is the untold story here, which is unfortunate. This is a mess, but to say it is all the teachers' fault, is unfair
Kerry January 13, 2013 at 04:47 pm
Mary , you are WRONG.
Kerry January 13, 2013 at 04:48 pm
Mary ,if you paid enough into SS you CAN collect both.
Kerry January 13, 2013 at 04:52 pm
Mary TRS benefits are much better than SS.
Kerry January 13, 2013 at 05:01 pm
Also, if you are in IMRF , you can collect SS as well.
Carl LaFong January 13, 2013 at 05:17 pm
I think all of you people who are focusing on public sector retirement benefits should look at the big picture. At this point in time our business leaders are determined to make sure their profits come at the expense of those who can not defend themselves.
In the sacred business world, corporate pensions have been looted for years and in many cases left the government with the bill. The long term plan for these greedy leaders is now at the point where the only pensions they have left to destroy are social security and public sector pensions. We need to stand together and quit attaching each other, since everyone without a high six or seven figure salary will be left with nothing. It will all be stolen from us like this country did to the Indians, African slaves, Middle-Eastern oil, etc. I love my country but since we are finding it difficult to steal from other countries we are now turning on our own. Think about the big picture.
Mary Van January 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Then I have to ask you Kerry, how come I am denied SS benefits? I did have part time job in which I paid into SS, but still have been denied.
Mary Van January 13, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Yes, as I explained in my previous post....IMRF system goes like this.....4.5% into IMRF, and 4.5% into SS, that is how that system works. TRS is different. I'm not sure about other governmental retirement systems, if they are split like IMRF.
Mary Van January 13, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Well said Carl....let's start with these politicians in Springfield....
Doug January 13, 2013 at 11:46 pm
capital L, small a, capital F, small o, small n, small g.
Kerry January 14, 2013 at 01:09 am
Mary, to get the SS benefits you have to qualify . Which means you would have had to work and pay in a certain minimum. If you have qualified, you would have to give up a portion of your TRS benefits to get SS. Its possible you did not work enough part time.
Kerry January 14, 2013 at 01:38 am
Mary, you also know that you can collect IMRF at the age of 55. You get 3 % raise each year.
Mary Van January 14, 2013 at 02:39 am
Do you get the full benefit at age 55, or is there a penalty for retiring at this age? I know in TRS, you can currently retire with full pension at age 55 IF you have 35 years of experience, which the majority of teachers will not have. Depending on when they are hired as a full time teacher, most teachers will not have 35 years of experience in until after the age of 58, especially women who may take maternity/family time. If a teacher decides to retire before they have put in 35 years of experience, they will have a penalty, usually decreasing the percentage in which their annuity is calculated.
Kerry January 14, 2013 at 03:07 am
I worked for 20 years, but was not in IMRF the entire 20 years. There is no penalty to take the pension at 55. IMRF advises you not to wait as there is no advantage to waiting.
Kerry January 14, 2013 at 03:12 am
With IMRF you get full pension at age 55.
Juvenal January 14, 2013 at 11:46 am
Of course for SS you cannot get your full benefit ( a fraction of what TRS would pay to someone with a similar salary history) until age 67, no matter how many years of full time work precede that (often between 40 and 50)...
Hamish January 14, 2013 at 01:55 pm
Juvenal where did you get your info from? The teachers pay 9.4% of their PAY into the pension and then the employer pays their share. Those in the private sector only paid 4.2% of their pay into SS and the employer matched it.... YOU NEVER PAID 12.4%
Thunderstorm January 14, 2013 at 05:09 pm
In School District 230 (Stagg, Andrew, Sandburg), TRS is paid 100% for the administrators. See what happens when a school administrator from another district (Carol Baker in 218) is voted into office. Prior to her being on the board, the administrators paid thier own TRS. That's a 9.4% raise they get each year. If the voters were smart, they would not re-elect her or Laura Murphy to the school board. Ben Twietmeyer is a 218 teacher also. You want our taxes to go up and up and up, keep voting for these people. My spouse and I are looking to relocate to a different state as soon as we can.
Take a moment to view what teachers in 230 make at http://www.suntimes.com/data/14314316-666/database-search-for-illinois-teacher-and-administrator-salaries.html and at http://www.familytaxpayers.org/ftf/ftf_salaries.php Go ahead and tell me teachers are underpaid!
Thunderstorm January 14, 2013 at 05:21 pm
Taken directly from 230 website. It was very hard to find I might add. It's hidden.
https://district.d230.org/Publications/CompensationReport2012.pdf Look at what they make under retirement enhancement and other benefits.
Bob January 14, 2013 at 05:52 pm
One thing public employees don't like exposed about their cheating the Social Security system is that 'retirement" benefits are not all it pays for. It also pays for disability checks (often of questionable justification), welfare, and widow and orphan benefits. Often these recipients paid little or nothing into the system, but are eligible for the benefits nonetheless. Public workers who don't contribute to SSC don't support the disabled and indigient as those of us in SSC do, and it's time that public employees started paying their fair share to the needy instead of shirking that duty with ALL their contributions going to their personal benefit.
Also, SSC benefits paid by taxpayers are limited by outside salaries. Since public pensions are given so early that recipients more often than not get second careers, often by subsitute teacheinig where they "retired" from or other public jobs. they should be subject to the same pension reductions as SSC recipients for salary income. It's time for making public employees pay their fair share, and suffer the same limitations, as the rest of us. They currently pay for less than half of their benefits, FAR less than half when end of career spiking and early retirement prorams are considered. It's time to "level the playing field" for new employees and those not yet retired!
Thunderstorm January 14, 2013 at 08:35 pm
Up until about 4-5 years ago, when a teacher or administrator retired, they would get a 20% bump in pay EACH of the last two years working. Now it seems as though they must give a 5-6 year notice and get a 6% increase every year. If a teacher was making $100K they would get $120K the first year and then a 20% bump on that which would make them earn $144K the year before retirement. Finally the taxpayers put a stop to that and rallied their representative and senators.
Russell March 12, 2013 at 03:22 pm
Your all fighting the wrong battle.
Hope March 12, 2013 at 05:58 pm
No you can NOT! Where are you getting your information?
Even if you had enough full time hours to meet the qualifying factors...you can't claim both. Furthermore, if a teacher becomes disabled they also are not able to collect SS Disability!
Hope March 12, 2013 at 06:02 pm
Kerry, since you are so intelligent, and seem to feel that teaching is such a GREAT gig...maybe you should go back to school and get your teaching degree, so that you too can take advantage of all of the perks you feel teachers have. Then get back us know how that "worked out"!
Hope March 12, 2013 at 06:03 pm
Well put Carl!
Hope March 12, 2013 at 06:05 pm
55, 65, 75 ....it is all a calculated figure. You do not just get a fully paid pension, just because you chose to retire. Or heaven forbid, have to, due to illness....and remember, you will not get SSD either.
Hope March 12, 2013 at 06:12 pm
Before you get all excited Kerry, ask what a IMRF average pension is at the age of 55. You may be shocked as to how low it is....and remember IMRF pensions are also able to collect SS too when they become of age. AND as for teachers being able to retire with reduced pensions earlier than 67 years of age. The private sector can draw on their 401k's after age 59 w/o penalty and than at 67 (or 65) collect social security benefits. I hope you can see, that there is no "cookie cutter" system to retirement and to stop bashing the teaching professions.....or no one will enter into it. This would be devastating to all!
Hope March 12, 2013 at 06:14 pm
There are reductions Bob.
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