I recently learned that the Legislative and Policy Committee of the Will County Board was considering endorsing a resolution introduced by Councilman Balich entitled “Opposing the Enactment of any Legislation that Would Infringe Upon the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms." Both curious and concerned, I decided to attend the second meeting where time would be spent debating and voting on the resolution.
At that March 12 meeting, it was established early on that all present understood the resolution has absolutely no legal power to affect law in Will County. Republican Caucus Chair Moustis, in attendance but not a member of the committee, expressed his view that, though a gun rights advocate, he questioned use of board time and resources on what amounts to little more than political theater. Committee member Bible spoke at length, questioning the wisdom of using elected officials’ time on any such resolution, but especially one that calls for no restrictions of any kind on the right of every citizen to arm himself. Councilman and Illinois Rifle Association President Moran proposed a new amendment to the original document, which was accepted by the majority of the committee without even a minute of discussion.
Citizens with a wide variety of viewpoints regarding gun rights in general and concealed carry in particular spoke, followed by the committee vote of 4 to 1 to pass the amended resolution on to the Executive Committee. Board members Howard, Collins, Moran, and Balich voted in favor, with Bible voting against. Ninety minutes in all had passed before the Committee moved on to substantive Will County business.
On March 14, the Executive Committee decided to send the meaningless resolution back to the Legislative Committee for clarification.
So, two committees will have spent an outrageous amount of taxpayers’ time and resources on a controversial and toothless resolution-- when and if it finally comes before the full Will County Board sometime in April. We can only speculate on the motives of those members who are pushing the resolution.
The bottom line? The advisory statement of support for unregulated gun rights has no significance beyond what it says about those who see it as a good use of Will County Board time—versus those who do not.
Nancy E.
Nikki Sanders
7:13 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Nancy E is obvviously one of the 6 people who sat in the front row groaning, moaning
and waving banners and signs is opposition, while 56 pro 2nd amendment citizens sat
politely and quietly waiting their turn to speak in favor of the resolution. They were later identified as traveling objectors who appear at every municipal and county hearing regarding the 2nd amendment, insisting their view should infringe on the
rights of everyone else. The pro-resolution citizens were all residents of Will County, whereas I believe Nancy E is from Chicago. This resolution mirrors one
being passed in many counties OTC (other than Cook) to show the legislature
the will of the people in this matter. Passing this resolution is not different than the
"meaningless" resolution passed regarding control of the 3rd Airport staying with
Will County. It was NOT a waste of time or money to allow the citizens supporting
this resolution their time to speak under that Amendment which guarantees to the
people the right to petition their government for redress of their grievances.
Remember that one, Nancy?
Steve T.
5:18 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
The courts have ruled, concealed carry is coming to illinois. The courts overturned the ban on concealed carry because the argument against concealed carry was too weak. So no matter what side your on its going to happen and soon.
CCW
5:58 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
I have been to several hearings about the new concealed carry laws coming and the antis just don't get it. They are fighting tooth and nail to stop it but it is coming no matter who likes it or not. I thought the highlight of the board hearing was when Bible pulled the race card saying the 2nd amendment is racist. Who elected THAT idiot?
The ISRA had over 8000 people march on the capitol in Springfield on March 6th of this year. Lee Goodman and his group of antis managed a protest at the Thompson Center in Chicongo on Friday. They had a whopping 12 people show up not including the two bums standing outside they recruited to hel with the promise of a Happy Meal. Looks to me like the good people are sick and tired of living in fear of the bad people. The playing field will be leveled on the 10th of June, 2013.
Edward Ronkowski
8:19 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
This month in the Illinois General Assembly the Chicago Democrats are proposing laws that would infringe upon our Second Amendment Rights. I find it ironical that Nancy E. would use her First Amendment Rights of Free Speech to criticize people for using their rights of Free Speech at the committee hearing in opposition to those who would violate our Second Amendment Rights. If a conservative does not want to own or carry a firearm, he or she quietly does not do so. If a liberal is against firearms, they object to our Freedom of Speech and want to pass laws infringing on our Second Amendment Rights. 49 other states have passed laws allowing for of carrying firearms in public places. Will County should speak up that our Second Amendment Rights have been violated far too long.
Walt Wingo
1:06 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Ed, obviously reading comprehension is not yours and Nikki's strong suite. Nowhere does the writer criticize your right to speak in defense of what you imagine are your second amendment rights. And your lack of being able to understand the written word explains your lack of understanding that the Second Amendment only confers unfettered gun rights on those who are in a state militia.
Of course, you have company when it comes to not understanding the Second Amendment. Five very ignorant Supreme Court justices got it wrong too.
CCW
4:50 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Wow Walt, you are smarter than the Supreme Court justices!
" A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
The term militia also applies to eligible citizens who are callable into military service. The security of a free State means that the people shall be armed to overthrow a tyranical government. Looks like you were absent the day they taught history in school. But you are smarter than a Supreme Court justice so I digress. WOW!
Granny Gruntz
3:59 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
*Has ANYONE out there who is SCREAM ING about THEIR "rights to bear arms" being "infringed" upon and "denied" EVER ACTUALLY READ THE ORIGINAL 2ND AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN??? *Are all these SCREAMING individuals that ARE NOW CURRENTLY "BEARING ARMS" in shoulder holsters, waist holsters, tucked in their belts, "MEMBERS" OF A "WELL REGULATED MILITIA"??? *I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT! *READ THE 2ND AMENDMENT - AS IT WAS WRITTEN!!! *The United States Supreme Court of the 20th century, in their omnipotence, REINTERPRETED the 2nd Amendment, as written, to how it reads today! *Wonder if the pre$$ure/influence$ of the NRA might have been in$trumental??? *ALL OF YOU SCREAMERS try going back and reading history regarding the "Minute Men", who were a "special ops" division of the "WELL REGULATED MILITIA"! *Don't even need your old history book! Just go online, "the information highway", AND READ THE 2ND AMENDMENT AS IT WAS INTENDED BY THE FOUNDING FATHERS!!
*I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
CCW
5:39 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
Granny whatever..No one is "screaming" here but YOU! I guess reading isn't your strong suit either. The whole article started with someone complaining about the board members "wasting time" on a meaningless ruling. No one was saying anything about anyones 2A Rights being taken away. You liberals started the whole 2A rant.
It really must give someone a sense of pride to feel they are the only ones with a "sane" argument towards what is written in the Bill of Rights. Millions of law-abiding gun owners could care less what you think. The courts have ruled in our favor and it sounds to me like you are the sorest loser.
Nancy Eich
8:55 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
I was not in the front row. I a few miles from Joliet. I would love to see a resolution on a ballot giving all Will County residents the chance to voice their view on gun rights and reasonable restrictions on them. I said nothing here criticizing those who used their free speech rights to speak. I sat quietly when asked not to clap to save time while others around me continued to clap when their buddies spoke. The place to debate what the 2nd Amendment actually means in terms of 2013 weapons is in our courts and in state and federal legislative bodies who make the laws. Even county board members of both parties seemed to see the problem with spending time on this at the county level.
nick
8:38 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
court decisions on CCW:
http://jurist.org/sidebar/2013/01/dan-peterson-gun-control-overview.php
Nancy Eich
8:57 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Sorry.." live a few miles from Joliet."
nick
8:46 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
"a few miles from Joliet" is that 5 or 50?
Franklin Marshall
9:30 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
I am a taxpayer in Will County, so obviously I'm not a wealthy Corporatist or Banker. I am an American citizen. Just because 48 states have approved , does not make it right. Keep you guns - locked away in a safe, not shoved in the back of your pants. Register your guns. Buy liability insurance. If your gun is stolen, be responsible - report it. If you sell it, go to prison for illegal sales. Stop being cowards. I support Nancy E, and Nikki and Ron sound like the early Third Reich supporters of Fascism.
Steve
11:24 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Umm Frank you may need to to read up on the thrid reich. also calling people Nazi is cheap insult.
nick
8:31 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
concealed carry info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
Nancy E
9:06 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
10 miles. Lived right here all my life. Worked as a public servant in Will County for 35 years. We may disagree, but I am not an "outsider". Kind of odd that one would presume all in the area agree on issues like the use of board time to promote a view on gun laws that are not theirs to make and that may not even be the majority view.
Steve T.
5:11 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
The courts have decided, concealed carry is coming to illinois. The courts overturned the concealed carry ban because the argument against concealed carry was too weak. Its coming folks whether you like it or not. Every other state has concealed carry and yes every surrounding state. Are all of you anti gun folks refusing to travel outside of illinois? Probably not. The majority of law abiding citizens are pro concealed carry.
Steve T.
5:13 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
Its very nice to see a county ready to embrace the right of the individual to defend themselves. If the lawmakers do not have a procedure for obtaining a concealed carry license by June 9 then illinois will become the 5th state to have UNRESTRICTED carry. I say let the clock run out.
CCW
5:47 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
Exactly Steve ! This resolution will be needed when we get ConCarry in Illinois because the Chicongo machine is busy stamping its feet and whining that they actually MUST give citizens back their RIGHT to self defense. Other counties are doing the same thing as we may very well end up with unrestricted carry, which I am not crazy about, to have ordinances in effect for regulation. Wait til the liberal whiners find out that all convictions for UUW/AUUW are going to be overturned and the wrongly convicted will be suing the state of Illinois into the stone age.
Brad Baber
9:36 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013
So Nancy Eich, what you are saying is that you don't even live in Will County?
Bill
4:18 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013
"CCW
Wow Walt, you are smarter than the Supreme Court justices!"
Not too hard these days when the ultra right majority in the court thinks that money is speech. And what about when the court was decidedly progressive, like the Marshal court? Were they smarter than you? What about R v W? Should no one ever question the SCOTUS?
Bill
4:30 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013
CCW - "the Chicongo machine"
Good thing we don't have to argue with racists as well as militarists.
Lynn Davis-Livesay
6:50 am on Tuesday, April 2, 2013
To "Walt Wingo" ... I don't think you know who your criticizing when you say that Mr. Ed Ronkowski doesn't know what he's talking about re: the 2nd Amendment... I think you ought to find out about who your criticizing. Ed, is extremely knowledgeable. There is nothing complicated about the 2nd Amendment, politicians and justices have made it complicated. Will County is the 4th largest county in Illinois and is a target by Mike Madigan and "Chicago Style" politicians and politics. There is no "waste of time" by protecting our Rights at all levels of Government. Besides, Walsh Sr. never proposes any business worth discussing and offers no economic solutions for the County, so there's plenty to time! Time spent "debating" costs far less at the County level, than at the Federal or State Level where Pat McGuire and ("the second coming himself" Walsh Jr.) waste massive amounts of taxpayer money!
Bill
3:28 pm on Tuesday, April 2, 2013
Yep. 2nd amendment. Very simple. We have a right to bear arms. Why? Because a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state. Sounds simple. So why do even Constitutional scholars disagree? Mr. Ronkowski may be highly knowledgeable. But even highly knowledgeable people can disagree. I would bet that more Constitutional scholars would agree with an assault weapons ban than support it. To me, it doesn't sound like, "Every American has the right to a gun so they can defend their homes against burglars.", let alone, "Every American has the right to carry a concealed gun so they can defend themselves from another gun carrier on the subway." Yes, we need to keep our right to own guns. Believe me, if things get any crazier and right wing extremists keep shooting people they don't agree with as has been happening all this year, I may have to get one myself. But it is not a matter of guns/no guns. It is a matter of personal nukes/no personal nukes. Bazookas on the street/no bazookas on the street. Hand grenades/no hand grenades. Assault rifles/no assault rifles. That is simple, too.
Bill
3:40 pm on Tuesday, April 2, 2013
" But even highly knowledgeable people can disagree. I would bet that more Constitutional scholars would agree with an assault weapons ban than support it. '
LOL. Obviously, "than NOT support it".