First, I think that Paul Ryan was an excellent choice by Mitt Romney. This puts the economy and budget at the forefront of this election cycle. That is what this election will be about. This election will not be about abortion, or gay marriage, or terrorism; just about who can get this country back on track economically.

As far as the inconsistancies in Paul Ryan's record; I think that, if you're honest, you'll find inconsistancies in everyone's record if they've been around for a while. That's why Obama was a perfect candidate four years ago. He had no real record, so there was nothing inconsistant about it. The problem was that we didn't know what he couldn't do. Now we do know what he can't do and that's get the country working again.

Mitt Romney understands the economy form the private sector side because he's lived it for so long. he knows why business hire and fire; why they choose to offshore operations and how they work around tax laws and other regulations. Knowing this gives him first hand knowledge as to how economies work and how jobs are created and lost. Paul Ryan brings a perspective from the government side of the economy with his expertise on the budget and deficts.

Paul,

So then answer me why, when Pual Ryan was interviewed by Fox News, he couldn't answer how and when they will get the budget back in check?
Anyone can get up there and say "We will create 250,000 new jobs our first year." Then when asked How and when By Hume, he had no answer. If they can give a legit plan, then even i'll listen.

Mitt was not a job creator, he was make businesses money guy. He has never cared or thought about the middle/lower class a day in his life. Are we now supposed to think he will change the tax/regulation codes which he has manipulated and exploited to get more rich? That's why his tax returns are so damning to him. People don't hate him because he's rich. People hate how the rich avoid taxes and pay lower rates than the middle class. The middle class is shrinking by the day and can't afford to be leaned on much more. All citizens need to pay their fair share whether they are illegals, low, middle or upper class. I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but how can you argue that democrats are not the best party for the middle class? Romney has already flip flopped more than a fish out of water on every issue under the sun! That's our savior candidate??? Obama doesn't always hit a home run with his policies but I at least understand where he is coming from. There needs to be more help from republicans who need to start caring less about the party and more about the country.

Tough, you wrote: "Mitt was not a job creator, he was make businesses money guy. He has never cared or thought about the middle/lower class a day in his life." I get that you are not for him, but do you HONESTLY believe what you just wrote??? That Mitt Romney "has never cared or thought about the middle/lower class a day in his life?" The sad truth is that you probably do believe that. There are a large number of Dems like yourself, that somehow think that because he has money, that he is not somehow human. Do you think that the republican lady next to you in the grocery store who may have more money than you, doesn't care about your welfare?? Is it only democrats that have human emotions towards others? Is it only democrats that want what's best for the citizens of the country?? If you spend a few minutes listening to the liberal news outlets you will hear Dem after Dem demonizing republicans... They suggest that they only care about the 1%, or the corporations, or big business. Can you REALLY believe that?? I mean, seriously!!! The divisions in the country are growing and I think it's because of the type of comments and beliefs that you make and hold... Tough, come back to reality!!

First of all I said Romney doesn't care not republicans. Second what has given you the impression in the last four years that republicans catering most toward the rich? I vote by people not party. I'd love smaller gov, but trickle down ecomonics don't seem to be working. Regulations are at an all time low so show me the money and jobs. Why won't republicans extend tax breaks unless it includes the rich who don't need them? What have these 2 useless wars done to the defict? Romney wins the election ane we'll be in Iran in no time! I don't like Obama and dem policies so much that I wouldn't vote republican, but Romney is not the answer!

Why do you insist that Romney doesn't care?? Do you know the man?? You don't know the man any more than you know any other politician. Does he not care because he has money?? I mean, Tough, seriously, it's non-sense to believe that because he has money, that he is any different from you. Do you believe that because he HAS money, that someone else has lost theirs?? Do you believe that there is one pool of money that is shared amongst us all?? If he has a lot, then someone else has little?? Do you believe that he has someone else's money and that they are poor because he has it?? You should know that it doesn't work that way. If you were rich and I wasn't, and then I became rich through invention or hard work, that wouldn't mean that you were no longer rich!!! Romney doesn't have your money or my money or anyone else's money.

He has our tax money...I could care less how much else he has! I just don't trust him! Why do you like him so much?

where are all the regulations holding everyone back? Please tell me. The amount of money Romney has avoided paying because of loopholes should make you sick! He pays a lower rate than us! How can obama accomplish his promises when the republicans have stonewalled his entire term? They're #1 objective is to stop Obama and now help our country!

I agree that there is a geat deal of inequity in the tax system. Most of Romney's income is from capital gains, which is taxed at a lower rate than earned income. This is typical of most wealthy people. Wealthy people also invest heavily in tax free municipal bonds. Obama had a Democratic congress for his first two years in office. Did he try to fix those inequities in the tax code? He could have gotten anything through congress to fix the economy. What did he do?

People get upset about the Republican congress; how do you think they got there? They were elected in 2010 because people no longer had faith in Obama. They went to congress to impose the will of thier voters.

The fact that Obama reverts to the 1970's Democratic playbook on class warfare makes me think he's out of ideas. "Since we can't help the poor and middle class, let's stick it to the rich". Please explain how soaking the rich will help anyone else.

John Paul, you share a widely held misconception that Obama "could have done anything" during the first two years of his presidency. This is based on the mistaken belief that the Democrats held a 60 vote majority (i.e., filibuster proof) majority in the Senate. But this overlooks the fact that by the time the Franken-Coleman litigation was settled, allowing Franken to take his seat, Ted Kennedy was on his death-bed, soon to be replaced by Scott Brown. Remember, the Democrats required Olympia Snowe's vote to override the Republican filibuster of the PPACA, a.k.a., ObamaCare.

As to "what did he do?" He passed a major stimulus bill to deal with the short term economic issues. He intervened in the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies, and ensured their survival as going concerns (Romney would have let them go bankrupt without governmental intervention, ensuring their demise, per an editorial he wrote at the time), preserving major economic assets. He passed a major universal health care law to deal with the most serious long term threat to the US Budget, and he wound down the war in Iraq under the terms negotiated by his predecessor (something his opponent swore not to do).

And he did these things in the face of unified Republican intransigence and obstruction.

Notbuyingit,
What exactly did Obama not keep his promises on? He ended Iraq, passed health care... In last few years he added jobs, the market has grown, he has helped the veterans and added to education.
Every administration changes as they go. Bush spent $$, had two wars that were unfunded and drastically expanded the roll of Gov't with no child left behind, and the Patriot act. One of the main principles of the GOP is less regulations and less Gov't interference. No child and the Pat Act are the opposite of that...
Now before you call me some kind of terrorist or "against" the troops, i am not defending for or against the wars or the expansion. My point is that every administration changes.
So again, tell me what promises has he lied about?

Some, as I said, altered just as any president or platform. Some of those were also blocked by flubberbusting rep's. When your parties leader first comment is to end Obama after one term, I guess that is a proud American speaking.. I wonder if you were puking and loving it when so many unfunded billions were was created by the 7 year "chase" for Bin laden... Were ya sick when the Rep's violated SO many of our rights with the Patriot act and expanded and already intrusive gov't?
I laugh when so many would never give credit to Clinton for Bush's first few year, then get mad when Obama blames Bush? Every aministration overlaps... That's the way it's designed.

Ernie, did you yell at Regan when he bailed out banks, supported Unions, exploded the budget, sold illegal weapons? The fact that you are going to link this to Hitler and the jews makes you quite pathetic. Last I checked, when those bail outs were approved there was more than just Dem's on that stage.
With-out a doubt, if given the choice of Romney and the Tea Party or Obama, Reagan himself would have chosen Obama.

Homer I truly appreciate your list, but I'd point out a few things. 1) the republicans didn't want any stimulus, what would unemployment be without it. The jobs seriously aren't here anymore (industry) or outsourced out of the country for cheaper labor. 2) The wars are killing our defict, there are timetables to wind both down finally. Romney will start a war with Iran guaranteed if elected. 3) I'd love more transparency too, but not sure how realistic it is when our enemies and the other political party will only use it for their own personal agenda. Romney won't even release all his tax returns! 4) GOP hasn't helped this either. Our gov system is broken. It all about the parties and not the country. 5) Needs to happen. No president will throw all illegals out or give all amnesty. Illegals need legal work visas and not only contribute to SS (with fake SS numbers) but pay income taxes. 6) whatever

Just a tought on this. Why would Mitt Romney put out any more tax returns? Do you think it will sway a single person who is demanding them? Its just like the Birthers, when Obama released his birth certificate, did it change a single persons mind? Can you name a single birther who said " I guess he is legal, I'll support him now"? Even if everthiong in Romney's tax returns are perfect, do you think that a single Obama supporter will vote for him? What purpose, other than giving Obama more stuff to take out of context, will releasing the tax returns accomplish? I'm sure Romney's tax returns are pretty complicated and it wouldn't be that hard to find something to run with if you're the oppostion.

Paul,
You are pretty much correct. My only guess would be that they would show the millions he puts in tax sheltered off shore accounts for the sole purpose of saving taxes. I am not saying this is wrong, bcause it is leagla. However, for a Presidential candidate to be campaigning on bringing money,jobs, and glory back to America, I can see how people would be tike... WTF?

I didn't write this and I don't know who did, but I agree with it 100%.

"The next time someone tells you that Obama is destroying the economy, remind them that the stock market and corporate profits are at all-time highs. When they tell you that this hasn't helped them any, remind them they've just admitted trickle-down economics doesn't work."

Billable, relax, sit down... I think i saw on Dr Phil, that if you let me and the people lined up slap you in the face... That will help you get a hold of yourself... or was that a movie?

reading through all the rhetoric and the back and forth retort should make you even more aware of what transpires in our current polictical system.Is it any wonder that anything is accomplished. Both parties are equally responsible.Pointing fingers at each other with outlandish accusations is no solution to whatever.Actually both parties are dinosaurs with their extented tentacles,unions, and lobbyist and oh yes bias opinions(FederalJudicial System) has almost left this country in shambles with neither providing clear direction because they themselves are obsolete.It is time for the people to stand up and say(vote) where there is a house divided(senate, house, congress leadership(President) nothing will ever be accomplsihed or achieved.After all were not all of these indivuals elected to interpret and abide and administer the rules and guidelines in the constitution fair and equal non bias and just without their greed and corruptive input to only justify their needs and not the masses..If this is how it's always going to be we need another type of system to represent all of the people not just the choosen few...

Another system refered to is reference to anything other than our current two party system exclusion of party affiliation (democrate or republican)..independent..The choosen few refered to are entwined ( lemmings) with policy as is and will go with whoever or whatsoever as long as it is in their interest.never mindful of the majority(the bulk of the nations people) needs..I have been perplexed over our political system as is and as a (Techno nerd) I not only know it is do able and it is feasible all of the data,laws, by laws,constitutional ,bills,etc which by the way are probably already computerized all of this information would turned into(program) a computer language.wherein the( mega master) computer would now be all of the people(President,house members, congress, senate,militray,finance,etc all the people now running the goverment including the federal court..system..There would be no arguments prolonged debates corruption,lobbyist filibustering or whatever..The computer would have the knowledge and answers to every possible or probable situation imaginable and would provide a solution answer immediately...The future is comming and technology is right along As I said earlier our system of administrating our nations directives policies constitutionaly or otherwise is obsolete and broken by all those we initially put our trust hopes and maybe dreams with our vote..(by the way Obama who! no pun intented if your a Democrate)

I have never seen so much contrary comments on the most non relevant topic relating to the real issues at hand economy,jobs, deficit, etc. Your bickering and and totally worthless commentary should enlighten to why nothing is accomplished in our current political arena.There isn't a current or fomer presidential candidate who was not controversial and yet you voted for them..Humm do you see the logic of your futile propounderance of diatribe..Was anything really accomplished!

What is a propounderance?

I think a "futile propounderance of diatribe" is a weird way of describing having crabs? Smart people like to use big words .I guess Eric dosen't feel that all of our "bickering" over past and current presidents that expanded civil rights for minorities, ended wars, expanded democracy, eliminated dictators and protected the enviorment did anything worthwhile.

Propounderance is an unusually small penis. A common criterion is a dorsal (measured on top) erect penile length of at least 2.5 standard deviations smaller than the mean human penis size, [1] or smaller than about 7cm (2 inches) for an adult when compared to an average erection of 12.5cm (5 inches). [2] The condition is usually recognized shortly after birth. The term is most often used medically when the rest of the penis, scrotum, and perineum are without ambiguity, such as hypospadias. Propounderance occurs in about .6% of males.
No I am not a doctor, but I played one in college a few times. I will now take your questions......

Y'all are just slaying me. funny posts. I know who I'm voting for, but I'm not gonna argue over it. If you work for a living just put on the cast iron panties because it doesn't matter who's occuping the palace, you're going to get scre@$#. The dems take our blood and give it to the poor. The reps take our blood and give it to the rich. Just enjoy the ride. Not complaining, just sayin how it works. P.S - nice and quiet now with crazy ivent not around! 48 comments on a subject like this instead of a schmidtload.

I guess that is why the call it the patch (rough)

So tell me Eric, what should we all do? Do you have a better way that out two party system?
please use smaller words. I came from Dist 218...

Fortunately we the citizens of this great country of "ours" could do a lot to change the political system as it is to a system that works for the (all ) people not just the super elite or those in power.The right to vote is your given right.What do you think would happen or would the politicians think if no one showed up to vote and I mean no one.There is no law that says you have to vote.The elections probably could not go foward but the message the people would be sending would be a new set of rules and bylaws for these would be politicians..The peoples bylaws, rules that say to those who want this position you have to play by our standards rules and bylaws that say,no more squandering of our money(taxes) no frivolous subsidies,no lobbyist,no unions,no pension funds subsidies by (taxpayers) no impromptuted vacations,no filibustering,no stalemates(there is always an answer for both sides to agree) no corruption,term limits for all no exception..termination or expellsion immeditely if any person(president- janitor) fails to meet any of the criterion..After all it is we(the people) who have pledge our vote to you to administer the highest office in the truest sense of the constitution with no personal interpretation or misguided meaning or anything taken out of context or construed to ones favor..accountability is the precursor.fail here and you are out.

Bit of a dreamer there Eric. Try writing your first novel. You've got a great imagination so make it fiction. good luck...

I could say it is the dreamers who have come up with most of the solutions to most of the problems but I guess that would be bragging.The word is "Think"

It's the dreamers who are the doers not the doers who dream they could

It is not a pipe dream or a delirium, delusion it is quite probable with computer technology and it's proliferating advance every aspect of the white house and all it's intergral parts can and will be made into a progarm which no longer require all those do nothing inessentials.It will do everythig better, fair not bias, not corrupt not influenced by anyone just a pure unadulterated interpretation of the constitution and it's just application .I am sure there are a vast number of skilled programmers out there who visulize the probable and potential in resolving the archaic system we have now

most probable

So again, i repeat my last question Eric. Based on your thoughts/explanations of government and polititians , when ever was the united states ever the way you describe?

and I repeat could be should be all it takes is initiative

Ummm, what?

If you feel like your coach seat is more cramped than it used to be, it may not be your imagination. Passengers paying the lowest fares are feeling the squeeze as airlines look for ways to boost revenue.The airlines is what it is today a behemoth with little on no concern for it's passengers.The airlines are buying large and larger aircraft but the average passengers experience is that of a sardine.Why is the airline industry always in need of more and more revenue? The obstacles are not enough airports to handle huge aircarft(around the world) fuel cost,over crowding(booking) passenger dissatisfaction,using passenger aircarft as freight delivery.The current classification system coach,economy,first class, business class is this consider discrimination?To resolve this self destruction the airlines should start over by simply
making the passenger the primary reason the airlines exist.The planes should be smaller no more than 50 passenger to a flight no more distinction by class.First class should be the word for all passengers 0ne price fits all.No using passneger planes as cargo planes.Passengers also have an obligation no more carry on's all baggage in the baggage hole of the plane..and no ridiculous size or object being transported by passenger plane.with these simple changes the airlines would be profitable and al would be good again

if you think it then it must be

could and should and probably will Thanks

Aligators have strong tails...
im assumimg your 50 passengers will be on a plane that is big enough to go long distances and have enough space to keep them all at a first class level? If so, after each passenger pays about $500 a ticket just to cover the fuel, what will you charge the passengers to pay for your 30 million dollar plain, and your pilots? I agree airlines suck but im just curious.

First the plane or aircraft would be far more fuel effecient just by shear reduction in size and weight and the flight range would also be equivalent based on the overall aerodynamics.inaddition to eliminating airlines using passenger luggage space to haul freight thus creating a burden on the passenger not intended in the ticket price.The term first class should be synonymous with passenger care comfort and the likes. The ticket charges would be based on the destination as is now what you would be eliminating would be a relegated class such as if you sit in the tail of the aircraft or nearer the front of the aircraft(cordon off) each service should as first with no distinction.The only reason the airlines made up all these class labels was to charge more whereas if everyone is charged the same for the same space in the aircraft and the same service criterion the system would be totally profitable without a doubt.As far as the pilots go they would be the same as they are now.What really adds to the airline cost is the unions they proliferate the problem with their demands,walkouts, and the likes..30 million for an aircraft that's cheap.The cost per ticket would be nominal based on the overall reduction in cost on waste

yes, I know that 30 million for an aicraft is cheap... the 500 for gas is also on the low end.. I gave you the benefit on that one and that was just the break even point... So what would the cost of a ticket from chicago to Orlando be?
So you would have Union free pilots? Im assuming you are paying them more than UA to pull them away or will you be recruiting Middle eastern pilots that will work for free!

You guys are all my new best friends... Especially Eric!! I could listen to him all day, and if he held me, all night too!!! ;)

Careful NBI, Chronicles has fast hands! Truck stop bathroom stall wall told me so!

Billable is just reading off his christmas list a bit early this year.

If you are going to have an aircraft streamlined and cost effective that provides a service that should be the standard not the exception what's with the $500 ticket?
So what are you saying a pilot is only as good as his union dose it make you a better pilot because you know you can not be terminated no matter what.There are probably multitudes of pilots out there that would be as good as or better because they cherrish the job rather than what a union could get them. Besides it's the employer(airlines) who should set the standards for their pilots not the unions after all it's their business and what better way to promote your business than with service and standards that excel.Why would you want someone(unions) to tell you how to run your business who to hire when to hire how much to pay and you have no say to terminate or you are threaten(strikes and the likes) do you have to be a hostage to run a business.Business thrives when having liberty,independence, voluntary a right to choose. Unions think they are helping their members(worker) by demanding wages and benefits that are outlandish and irresponsible the employer says enough is enough and closes his business or ships his product or service to other places(country) now the union works are nowhere mission accomplish.The standard wage should be $20/hr this would relive the employer of the unions and give a decent wage to the employee and acost of a product or service would almost be a certain it's a win win

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Standard wage is $20/hour and you think you are going to find pilots capable of flying a passenger jet?
So where are you gonna find these pilots, that will work cuz they "love" what they do for 35K a year? Are there 20-25 pilots out there that fit this mold or are you just going to have one.
I think your Gov't also has something to do with setting the standards for pilots. Considering many are former military. Not sure what the Unions have to do with that.

The $500 is about the minimum that each of your 50 passengers would have to pay to just cover your gas that the plane will burn. Then you have your 35K / year pilots, airline fees to be allowed to land, unless you are using farms, Insurance when your 35K pilots crash, ticket agents...

I'm not even gonna go into the other nonsense about the unions.

The $20 dollar figure is what would be consider the minimum wage rather then the now $7. Has nothing to do with the pilots wages.The wages for pilots would be those offered by the employers(airlines) without union interferance.Third party is not a criterion for negotiations between employer employee(potential).The wages are not set by the goverment nor the standards for pilots. Being a former military(experience) is just an additionl boon for those applying for an aviation position.
Many pilots learn to fly in the military, but a growing number have an associate’s or bachelor’s degree from a civilian flight school. All pilots who are paid to transport passengers or cargo must have a commercial pilot's license and an instrument rating.
median annual wages of airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers were $103,210, and median annual wages of commercial pilots were $67,500.
Employment of airline and commercial pilots is expected to grow 11 percent from 2010 to 2020, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Regional airlines and low-cost carriers will present the best job opportunities. Pilots seeking jobs at the major airlines will face strong competition.
If you can see pass the union stigma growth,prosperity(economic well-being) less cost to the comsumer,unbridled innovation(free enterprise) the social norm. An individual who is attuned and see positive action is the better for it

Here is jut a thought that you may mull over.Initially the unions may have been a need but as it stands today the have outlived their usefulness with no real advantage to anyone but themselves.They sell themselves to the highest bidders for favors and prostrate themselve for any self benefit to themselves.There is always corruption,bribery amoung theselves and members and what little effect they say their members get results in higher cost to you(comsumer) with liitle or no better sevice or product. The only real reason some unions are still around is because of politics(use them when votes are needed). Any individual with foresight could and should see through this con game a burden he should not need to endure

I can see you are truely confused. Definition spacious aircraft two aisles (25 on each side) instead of six less weight (by passengers) less weight not hauling cargo freight in passengers baggage or luggage space(belly of the aircraft).smaller better proficient aircarft greater efficiency of fuel longer flight miles smaller space for airport parking lesser runway.Pilots or future pilots competing for a position with an employer(airlines) is like any business you have to prove yourself in order to be considered for the position salary is an open discussion and may or may not be considered at this juncture.Your other point what about all the others(individual worker) who fall into the same category(scenario) (non-union) they work and do their utmost best in their employer-employee relationship with their understandng iit's a job and there is no certainty. They prepare for any event through their own initiative(investments,savings,pensions and so forth) possible so of this will seep through to you if not so be it

Here's a little something regarding Ryan. Granted it's from the left, but it is puzzling and has nothing to do with aircraft or running for a Senate seat in Missouri.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html?utm_hp_ref=media&ir=Media

Obama is a socialist mentored by his communist grandparents and his close mentor/friend, renowned communist Frank Marshall Davis. He believes we should "share the wealth." When I was growing up I was taught you need to work hard to earn what you want. Now the theme of America is "why don't those who worked hard give some of that to me?" There has been no budget in over 3 years during this administration (which is against the law). How are we even to know the real truth about how many trillions in debt we are when we don't even have a budget. Obama's budget plan got ZERO votes while Ryan's proposal got votes from both sides. I think I know who I'd rather see in the WH next year.

Eric, i am enjoying our plane convo... but i still am confused like you said. Some of the best small passenger jets we have like the gulfstreams still burn gas at about $5 a mile and those only hold like 20 people. So again, how do you pay your multimillion dollar payroll, and other expenses and still make a profit? What if you have the passengers in the emergency exit isles also fly the plane. I mean those bastards do get the extra leg room... its about time they pay their fair share.

cc, some of your statements are mistaken. I'll leave aside the question of whether Obama is socialist. I don't believe so, but it's impossible to prove either way, just as it's impossible to prove that Romney isn't secretly a Democrat and a member of the Trilateral Commission. But we can establish some facts about the budget.

The responsibility for authorizing expenditures lies with Congress (cf., US Constitution, Article I, Section 9), not with the President. It is not unusual for political fights in Congress to result in a failure to pass a budget, in which case spending authority is usually granted on a continuing basis through continuing resolutions. Indeed, this happened in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, to cite relatively recent history.

But as regards your claim that there has been no budget (presumably, you mean no enacted budget) for three years, this is easily shown to be false:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget

If I follow your misguided question I will reverse the question how dose the current airlines system pay for all of it's waste oversize planes,misuse of the services(hauling freight) on passenger airlines,overblown wages(union pilots) disgruntled passengers, over booking, missed flights hugh airport parking cost for oversized aircraft.What if you have the pilots sit in the passenger seats after all the automatic pilot flys the aircraft most of the time. I guess their current trillion dollar budget. is in keeping with your question on payroll. Just think about this statement "some of our best small passenger jets still burn gas at about $5 a mile" Just think now what do you guess a huge, mammoth, overweight stuffed with over 300 hundred passengers would cost per mile.I am not sure I get the emergency aisle question or whose flying what

Butch
I am not sure what you saying but maybe this will help. First, there are thousands of pilots of various nationalities who fly commercial passenger planes,transport planes,military planes, private planes and the likes so on and so on.The terrorist who committed the crime in all likely hood already new how to fly their ruse in training in small plane was probably to learn the communication skills between controllers and pilots as to no create suspicion when flying over residential territory and a low levels to get to their ultimate destination. Your other ranting make no sense to me and as far as code this is even less clear anyway have yourself a good day

These profession of comments on what is right on abortion and it's implications on those whose lives are destroyed by it or shamed by it or worst.Why or what is the reason for this you ask religion of course.Go back to when there was no religion how was it introduced to the new world rape, sodamy,incest,torture,death and the likes to achieve relating or devoted to an ultimate reality or deity,belief ,observance ,zealous.
Religion has no place in a person's use or service to it's body.Look at the flawed perfection of some of the largest religious orders rampant homosexulaity( raping small boys). why is it that these petrators are not castrarted.As with law the religious philosophers interpret what they want to see..Is it not in the constitution equal rights on to all(men & women)so why should some philosophical interpretation put restraints on the women(female) and not on the male is the words of the constitution to be abandon by a religious rule or interpretation..There is no room for religion and politics. The decision to abort or not should left with individual and maybe the individuals doctor.. There can not be any bias in this process.Religion stick to your own house and clean it up stay out of where your input has no relevance.

Eric, your questions are not relevent. I was asking how a airline that flys 50 peole at a time, with comfortable seating, and at nominal airfare can even be possible. You told me they can. The only reasons you gave me are because unions are bad, you will have a plane that is really efficent and you will show Snakes on a plane for entertainment... Wait, that last one wasn't you, but my point still stands.

Sorry but either you are blinded by your own questions they make little or no sense. I gave you the answer several times effeciency(working well with little waste) one more time do you really need a union? what benefit do they add to the word efficiency?( I guess you are a union man) because you seem to be stuck on the subject that nothing works unless the union is involved.As far as entertainment is concerned I leave it up to the airlines. I get enough through these commentaries.Finally,how can something be possible,inovation,initative,perseverance,achievements. I guess the unions do not espouse to these basic criterion . If you are comfortable with your self anything is possible and can be achieved

No, not all for Unions. I just believe that they have a purpose. There isnt and organization/company/entity that dosen't have waste and coruption.
My question is a simple one... To answer it with efficiency is not a real answer. If you have a union or not, you still will be paying more for the pilots than the Unions ones make...
Im not defending airlines or Unions... I also defend your right to think as you say. However, things also have to be feasable... Never in a time is our US history was it like you describle... So I don't get your points... Again, it may be my 218 education...

Stuart Krutz
I am not sure where or what you are comming from or what topic you are referring to I am sure I have not had any contact with you about any of the subject matter you refer to sorry

No kitty! That's a bad kitty!

Ok Chronicles of Bob What specific purpose do Unions have other then waste and corruption a hinderance to would be employers,price increases and a variety of totally unproductive and self indulgence to greed in other words something described as unnecessary obsolescent.How about working well with little waste overall cost reduction in the total operation resulting in lower cost to consumer(passengers) is this quantitative enough.Your analogy of union pilots and non union pilots(pay) makes no sense. I believe I have not question your rights to spaek or say what you will. It's your choice.I am also sure I have made no comment relating to how it was in the United States. My description was on how it could be, should be can be and would be if a broader and deeper committment by all would be embraced
If any or all of this is lacking comprehension,sorry but I am going to leave it here I have reach the plateau on this subject.No hard feeling Best Regards

Billable Hour

Wait......so this whole time "planes" were a metaphor for "unborn fetuses"? Now I see what this all had to do with Mitt Romney making his vice president selection

your conjecture and your ability to extrapolate non related subject into what you want to see or believe is your problem. Are you sure it not biblical instead of billable

Thanks eric, I have learned much from you. Such as Unions suck and serve no purpose, and that you will invent a passenger jet that uses the flux copacitator, thus needing no gas.
I am glad that you can take the 200 plus years of our US history and not find a time of how things "Should be." Yet if we all just embraced a broader commitment things can be!. Really? Wow, that's brillant!
And yes, my Union pilot anaolgy was spot on. If your " magical airline" can't afford to out pay union pilots, then you won't get any. Unless of course as I said before, they are midle eastern, or can't fly.

Billable Hours

8:52 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012

Check it out with Chroniclles Bob he's your source. I have no interest in nonsense
Not sure how my question made little or no sense. I'm asking for some help in acquiring the blockbutser megahit Snakes On A Plane. I assure you that you have not given me the answer several times.

Check it out with COB? Are you serious? I have no interest watching Soul Plane on all fours while wearing a Vin Diesel mask with a can of Diet Pepsi shoved in my mouth as his dog urinates on me and he blankly stares at me while sipping his Miller Lite. No thanks!

Final Please! So you learn the truth about unions(Unions suck and serve no purpose) well at least that is an accomplishment. I never made or never mentioned I would be inventing any type of aircraft.The building and modification of aircraft is the concept of those with vision and foresight science and technology that is what got us out of the past to a foreseeable and competive future. I am aware of our country's history all it's flaws and problems right up until now doing things awkward,inffectual costly and I guess just plain greedy without fear of any reprobation or consideration to change.
This is my preconception of what I see as a prelude to change
It is not a pipe dream or a delirium, delusion it is quite probable with computer technology and it's proliferating advance every aspect of the white house and all it's intergral parts can and will be made into a progarm which no longer require all those do nothing inessentials.It will do everythig better, fair not bias, not corrupt not influenced by anyone just a pure unadulterated interpretation of the constitution and it's just application .I am sure there are a vast number of skilled programmers out there who visulize the probable and potential in resolving the archaic system we have now

Your innendo union pilots pay and the such your miscomprehension again sorry no need to answer

Are you quoting terminator or are you being serious.

Billable Hours

10:46 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Yes Eric I'm sure. "Biblical" is spelled b-i-b-l-i-c-a-l and "billable" is spelled b-i-l-l-a-b-l-e! Remember on Fantasy Island when Tattoo would yell, "Hey boss the plane the plane"?
Ok so you can spell. Are you sure one of coconuts didn't fall and hit you the head. Again I am not sure what Fantasy Island and Tattoo or whoever has to do with what or whatever.Anyway thanks for whatever I am out now best to you Chat with Bob if you must My best Regards to you

Bob Final and last response please ok. it ends now this prodigious consternation on subject has peaked out. What in hail mary has the terminator have to do with I do not know or care..I appreciate the banter and the opportunity having expressed our views and the likes.I leave you with my best regards.I am out. You can blog, post, twitter or whatever I cordially will not respond. Thanks again and have agreat day

Im assuming you saw terminator.... will someone please explain my comparison of terminator and erics last post because im not sure if he wants to talk anymore...
id quote a the line "so you're saying there's a chance!"from dumb and dumber but i may lose ya again.... so pretend i didnt

Is everyone aware that "Oh Snap!" is gay slang

We'll miss you Eric! I will always cherish your Total Recall-like technologies!

ERIC'S answer on ARABS flying JETS is as preposterous as Ilyin Ryan and TWITT taking care of us and our MEDICARE maybe Eric but noone else on this Blog, he goes on to say the DESERT tribesmen - Arabic speaking hijackers were in FLORIDA practicing their communication skills to fool the air controllers at KENNEDY and LANGLEY AFB,like all BS it opens up the debate such a great thinker he is full of himself and his lovely rhetoric practicing for bigger and better things he went on they used Fla for a training base to learn the terminology that enabled them to fly into the most heavily defended airspace in the world outside of Pyongyang or Peking
, sorry fellas this is most likely why his interest has peaked out the softball season ended on fantasy Island his aerodynamics knowledge is almost as great as his linguistics.

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Eric what I don't understand is how Sex reassignment surgery (initialized as SRS; also known as gender reassignment surgery, genital reconstruction surgery, sex affirmation surgery, sex realignment surgery or sex-change operation) is a term for the surgical procedures by which a person's physical appearance and function of their existing sexual characteristics are altered to resemble that of the other sex. It is part of a treatment for gender identity disorder/gender dysphoria in transsexual and transgender people. It may also be performed on intersex people, often in infancy and withouttheir consent.

Other terms for SRS include sex reconstruction surgery, gender confirmation surgery, and more clinical terms, such as feminizing genitoplasty or penectomy, orchidectomy and vaginoplasty are used medically for trans women, with masculinizing genitoplasty or phalloplasty often similarly used for trans men.

People who pursue sex reassignment surgery are usually referred to as transsexual; "trans" - across, through, change; "sexual" - pertaining to the sexual characteristics (not sexual actions) of a person.More recently, people pursuing SRS often identify as transgender instead of transsexual.

This going to be my last response to you Butch my only reason I answered you in the first place was your initial inexplicable ranting about something which I have no Idea what it is or about Your comments"can you explain how 3-5 desert tribesmen of Saudi Arabia trained in small planes or for a better name Piper Cubs in FLORIDA and managed to fly two 737 LINERS without any difficulty into the WTC?
iS IT still that easy or do? if so Pilots deserve to be paid no more than $20 hr as stated ? DO YOU think We should be retraining our pilots out of Florida dirt airstrips and or recruit Saudi tribesmen for Pilots can u imagine they flew into the most heavily defended AIR SPACE this side of MOSCOW and then Into the center of the Empire's military complex and not PATRIOT MSL fired because we sent them all to defend the Zionist state!, I am of the opinion yer comments on liberty are code words for even more deregulation in this context it is for the low info guys who believe the pablum.who you are trying to convince that Unions have outlived their usefulness like SSA and Medicare and non existing pensions clean drinking water deregulate everything but women's bodies EH ERIC" I though Chronicles of Bob was bad news but you sure have him beat. So farewell my friend enjoy your life keep me out of it Best Regards

Now a tickle monster would be classified under what?
I do love both of your cut and paste of useless knowledge capabilities.

I'm still waiting for Eric to hold me and tell me all about his SRS... And yes Eric, I am ticklish...

Did you know Mitt Romney made his vice president selection? They should start a thread on that!!! Patch needs to get on the ball!

I guess I made a mistake. I assumed the format was to be based on topics of importance, influence,worth,significance. A tickle monster would be classified under Chronicles of Bob I am right? The useless knowledge capabilities(your limited insight) is a prelude to alternative energy possibilities less dependant on oil or fossil fuel. What I gave you was something to really think about. You totally mis- construed
what computers,programs,technology,scientific knowledge mechanical engineering and the likes and it's applications to programable format. making things simpler easier cost effective,errorless.The majority of assembly of a car is done by a computer..Bob I hope you don't mind me being a little facetious when I ask you this question you didn't get hit in the head with a peanut by any chance

Bob
It's the questions you asked not in context with the subject matter or anything else sorry I guess I didn't literally mean bad news

Eric, you've put me down and insulted me from the strat... You just try and do it eloquently... So no, I'm not offended... But thanks for asking, pal!

Billable Hours

3:47 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Eric what I don't understand is how Sex reassignment surgery (initialized as SRS; also known as gender reassignment surgery, genital reconstruction surgery, sex affirmation surgery, sex realignment surgery or sex-change operation) is a term for the surgical procedures by which a person's physical appearance and function of their existing sexual characteristics are altered to resemble that of the other sex. It is part of a treatment for gender identity disorder/gender dysphoria in transsexual and transgender people. It may also be performed on intersex people, often in infancy and withouttheir consent.

Other terms for SRS include sex reconstruction surgery, gender confirmation surgery, and more clinical terms, such as feminizing genitoplasty or penectomy, orchidectomy and vaginoplasty are used medically for trans women, with masculinizing genitoplasty or phalloplasty often similarly used for trans men.

People who pursue sex reassignment surgery are usually referred to as transsexual; "trans" - across, through, change; "sexual" - pertaining to the sexual characteristics (not sexual actions) of a person.More recently, people pursuing SRS often identify as transgender instead of transsexual.
The ball is in your court. I have no idea what you are talking about or what it means or what it has to do with or about This why disengaging for subjects likes is a no brainer. Have fun enjoy the day Best Regards

Billable Hours
Disengaging from subjects like this is a no brainer. I have no clue what you are talking about or what it is you are trying to convey has it anything to do with your snap comments or are you seeking have a sex change and looking for direction. If your gay it's ok it's what your are so be it. As you can see I have no idea what your ranting was trying to achieve it certainly is mis-leading to say the most. I am in no way trying to offend you I just wish your dialogue would be far more clear No offense intended.Best Regards (friends)

Yes getting back to the real issue at hand would be refreshing politics,goverment budget,change,which should encompuss technological options in various fields of endeavors not just platitude subject with no specific answer and definately not just finger pointing accusations but real substance to what can be done about it.Take all the character assasination out of the picture. will Romney/Ryan be the choice for the next four years or will Obama/Biden be the choice..Things like wealth, money,religion, abortion, who did what or said what should not cloud your judgement .The character assasinations and finger pointing is the work of all the ad makers and campaign promoters who are providing fodder to you to further cloud your preception of each of he candidates..If the topics discussed here are not taken out of context or meander for the subject then this could the start of something good

So you ask billable to be friends, but not me. That hurts! Trying now to figure out what robots making cars have to do with our subject matter? Are you suggesting these car building robots will also take then place of our human leaders and decide on things like abortion, states rights, racisim and education. Or these also the issues that cloud us...

Chronicles of Bob & Billable Hours
Bob If I didn't (Friends) to you I am sorry not intential.but in all honesty I am seriously saying this time for good I am done with the both of you.Billable Hours I have no clue to whatever you are saying complete total nonsense.Chronicle of Bob your ability to take things out of context and interject it with some absurd concept or notion is beyond me.Technology is here and will advance like it or not .The world is changing as is what it takes to run it. computers,programs,technology,scientific knowledge mechanical engineering and the likes and it's applications to programable format. making things simpler easier cost effective,errorless will apply to many things just as robots assembling cars. Yes and things like human decisions
can and will be done by computer programs flaw free.Thanks for the time with you and Billable Hours.I have closed out Patch account and have posted my last remarks The two of you stay in touch with each other best regards

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Eric,
You so sensitive, what gives?
You can't have a computer program that is written, designed and implemented by humans be free from flaw, errors and greed. It's impossible. I Don't know why you can't see that?
The fact that you are ok with decisions of a personal, emotional and humanistic nature to be decided by a computer, that's esssentially designed by a human is wrong on so many levels. The fact that you would be willing to give such a power to a group of people to create such a tool is shocking. Hence, my terminator example.