Senior Housing Near Berkot's? Residents, Developer Debate
New Lenox developer William Bolker hopes to build an age- and income-restricted housing complex on 3 acres just east of the commercial development that includes Berkot's Super Foods.
A proposed senior housing development near Calistoga Plaza in New Lenox received backlash from village staff and nearby residents Tuesday night, but the developer hopes to come back with an improved plan.
New Lenox developer William Bolker hopes to build an age- and income-restricted housing complex on 3 acres just east of the commercial development that includes Berkot's Super Foods.
During a Plan Commission meeting Tuesday, village staff did not recommend approval for the plans, primarily because of ongoing issues with the number of parking spaces and open space for the seniors.
"This plan does not creatively and efficiently utilize this property," village planner Jeff Smith said. "The seniors need an opportunity to be outside. That’s very minimal in this plan. These are all quality of life concerns we have and feel this plan is not enough."
Bolker said he plans to submit new designs to the village and return for another public hearing at the next Plan Commission meeting, which is Feb. 21.
The revised plans will reduce the number of units in the building to 50, allowing for fewer parking spaces (100 total) and more recreational space, on which Bolker said he hopes to build a large patio area and possibly a nine-hole putting green.
Twelve of the units would be two bedrooms and the rest would be one bedroom. All residents must be at least 62 years old. Bolker presented a letter from New Lenox Township Supervisor Bill McCollum, who supported the plan.
The township's senior living facility has been at capacity since opening and has at least 70 residents on the waiting list, which Bolker said he'd like to get so people from New Lenox could possibly live in this new development.
"We think it’s going to be an ideal place for our senior citizens," Bolker said. "As a lifelong resident in New Lenox, I know this has long been waited for. They’re very nice. I’d live in one myself."
Residents in the Water Chase subdivision, which is just to the east, weren’t as happy with the chosen location. During the public comments, six residents spoke against the plan and more were in attendance.
They worried about lighting in the parking lot having an adverse affect on their homes, the fact that the building is three stories and how maintenance and landscaping would be handled. They also asked whether potential renters would receive criminal background checks and worried about the impact it could have on new building in the incomplete subdivision.
Others were concerned with a potential increase of ambulances in the area, both because of the noise of the sirens and because of the possible barrier of railroad tracks between the housing and the new Silver Cross Hospital.
"I'm not here to oppose a senior living facility, but there are probably locations in New Lenox that would be better suited for it," Water Chase resident Sally Wirt said, adding that a high-density complex wasn't the type of development homeowners expected when they moved to that subdivision.
But Bolker said there isn't a better location as far as he's concerned, especially because of its proximity to the Calistoga Plaza shopping center and the Metra station.
"We cannot appease everyone," Bolker said. "But there’s no better place in town. I also think we’re going to be able to bring some neighbors and shoppers there to help out the tenants, because some are hurting."
Read more about multiple proposals have been made for senior housing in New Lenox in the last year.
New Lenox Citizen
7:35 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
With all the Land and opportunity in New Lenox, how can cramming this facility into the parking lot of Berkots be the Best Place in town for seniors? I wouldn't want my parents living there.
NLMom
7:54 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
New Lenox needs the senior housing. It's a good idea and it is ideal with the shopping right there. I don't live near there, but if I did I wouldn't mind a senior housing complex. As far as criminal backround checks go are the residents of this neighborhood requesting criminal backround checks on citizens buying houses in their subdivision? That sounds a little discriminatory to me.
Wow, an ambulance might drive up and down the road. That could happen anywhere anytime. Let the seniors have the housing. If we're lucky enough we'll all be seniors one day. Let's hope the next generation is more accepting of seniors and their housing.
No Name
4:33 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Wasn't it discussed that this development would be tax-subsidized specifically for low-income residents? I think some of the concerns about background checks might be related to this point. Unfortunately, that point was missing from this article.
Another Concerned NL Citizen
12:45 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
I live in Water Chase and clearly there is a misunderstanding by some of my concerns. Let me make this unmistakable clear - I am not against seniors or senior housing - this is entirely untrue and in fact -- I love seniors!! My grandparents both lived in NL until they passed away (both in their 90s), my parents who are seniors live in NL, and I have friends who are seniors who are my greatest mentors. (sorry because of character restrictions my response is in a couple of postings.)
Another Concerned NL Citizen
12:46 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
The area in which the building is proposed is on 3.016 areas. It is surrounded by the gas station, the day care center, the high tension wires, and Calistoga Drive – so the lot itself cannot be increased in size. If you put the currently proposed building up (what was submitted to the village on February 2nd) with parking there is no room for anything else. There is no room for any outdoor space such as walking paths, a picnic area or even an area for just sitting outside in the shade like a gazebo. These same concerns, as well, were expressed by the village as you can see in the article. To quote the article, “…’village staff did not recommend approval for the plans...’, and in the author’s opening line, ‘…received backlash from village staff…”. Where are the residents going to walk around, exercise or just be able to sit down and get some fresh air?? If you look around you can see that the other recent developments in NL have been required to plan and provide for this type of common outdoor open space. This requirement for open space is repeated several times in the village code. But more importantly – it is just the right thing to do. Would you want (or want for your parents or grandparents) to live where there was no place to walk around outside except for a parking lot? I think not. Michael maybe you could get from the village a copy of exhibit F from the developer’s February 2nd proposal which shows the proposed use of the land?
Another Concerned NL Citizen
12:46 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
As for the other comments, I am not going to address each one but I do ask you to consider a few things. First, the article that was written as an overview/summary of a public hearing that lasted well over an hour. And because of this sometimes when the full context of a question/comment is not known the comment/question can be easily misinterpreted and wrong conclusions can be made. As an example, the discussion regarding ambulances/emergency responders had to do with the freight rail tracks on Cedar just north of Laraway. With the significant increase in freight train traffic, vehicular traffic backs up on Cedar regularly because of the time it takes for these trains to pass. What is the plan to get those of us who live south of the tracks to the hospital quickly? In a medical emergency such as a stroke or heart attack, minutes can literally make the difference in a positive or negative medical outcome. And, maybe there is a plan for all of us – but I think it is something that needs to be discussed. Studies show the risk of stroke doubles for each decade between the ages of 55 and 85 (source: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stoke), if you are proposing a high density residential building for seniors, I think this needs serious consideration.
Another Concerned NL Citizen
12:47 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
According to the developer, the development needs to be at least 48 or 50 units or it will not meet the requirements for state funding. There are other locations in NL that have larger tracks of land (and they are out there) that will follow the spirit of the village code and village’s future land use map BUT most importantly do what is right for the seniors – provide them with walking paths and other open outdoor space amenities and an assurance they can get to the hospital quickly when minutes make a huge difference in medical outcomes. Let’s make this a WIN-WIN for everyone!!
In conclusion, if a large development was going up near your home, I think you would want to be able to discuss it and voice your concerns - this is why we have public hearings. Let me repeat this again – my opposition has nothing to do with seniors or senior housing – I love seniors. I ask you to step back and look at the real issues instead of jumping to conclusions based solely on emotional hot buttons.
Sherry
7:55 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
First of all to the Water Chase subdivision objecting...no surprise here, every development in NL this happens and to that fact, if you buy a house next to open land, be prepared for anything. If you want the country life style, buy 20 acres! Then they are afraid of the noise of ambulances? Wow, that is shallow, maybe the seniors might not want to hear your teenagers driving by blasting their radios. Last to the citizen who would not want their parents living there...try living in the Cedar road senior complex now. The backside apartments view nice industrial sheds where they work on cars and smell fumes at all hours of the night..there is no trail or safe walking space for them. I am pretty sure the residents on Cedar would be thrilled with being able to simply walk across a parking lot to Berkots. Show a little understanding, we will all be there someday.
No Name
4:36 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
When you buy a home next to vacant land, the best you can do is check existing zoning laws. The developer is requesting a change to zoning laws to accomplish the development.
NLMom
8:35 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I couldn't agree more, Sherry. Very well said.
Kimberly
8:39 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
WOW, some of the comments from Water Chase residents are just, well, sad. I am far from being a senior citizen, but I lived in a Bolker built townhouse off of Haven and all my neighbors were senior citizens. Were there ambulances? Yes. Are there ambulances (and fire trucks and squads) in the neighborhood I live in now? Yes. I think the location (east of Berkots, not in the parking lot) is ideal for a senior building. You often hear about seniors being "forgotten" or "shoved aside" and it sounds like some of the residents of Water Chase are of that mindset, and that makes me feel really sorry for THEIR parents ..... can you say Nursing Home????
Another Concerned NL Citizen
12:50 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Right or wrong I think we have all seen this happen before. An emotionally charge topic is introduced into a discussion and people join into the conversation based on THIS topic and what ends up happening is a group of people get labeled, to quote the author, “sad” when in reality they never said/felt/believed in what they are being accused of doing.
There are many reason for doing this, the following are few: i) it allows the person or individuals to gather support -- not based on the real issues of the discussion but on an emotional hot button, ii) the person or group of individuals is able to continue to divert the conversation away from the real issues rather than address them, and iii) it enables the person or individuals to place a label on the other side to make them out as bad or ‘sad’ people. (again sorry but because of character limits my response will continue below)
Another Concerned NL Citizen
12:54 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
My opposition has NOTHING to do with seniors (I love seniors) it has to do with a high density residential apartment building (50 plus units all under one roof), the size (3.016 acres) & proposed use of the land it is being developed on, and the real safety concerns regarding getting people to the hospital quickly when minutes literally make the difference between positive or negative medical outcomes.
Some individuals have tried to steer the discussion or make it look as I/we are against the seniors. I ask you step back and consider what we are truly questioning/opposing. And,then ask yourself, who is really looking out for the seniors and what is BEST for them and the village of NL as a whole? As I said earlier, let’s make this a WIN-WIN for all!!
Kimberly
8:49 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Another Concerned NLCitizen - My comment didn't "label" anyone "sad" , my comment said, in my opinion, the comments made by residents were "sad", nothing else. And based on the following quotes from the article, I stand by my opinion and comment!!
"Residents in the Water Chase subdivision, which is just to the east, weren’t as happy with the chosen location. During the public comments, six residents spoke against the plan and more were in attendance. "
"They worried about lighting in the parking lot having an adverse affect on their homes, the fact that the building is three stories and how maintenance and landscaping would be handled. They also asked whether potential renters would receive criminal background checks and worried about the impact it could have on new building in the incomplete subdivision. "
"Others were concerned with a potential increase of ambulances in the area, both because of the noise of the sirens and because of the possible barrier of railroad tracks between the housing and the new Silver Cross Hospital."
To say that my comment was not based on the real issues but on an emotional hot button, is incorrect, my comments were based directly on what residents were quoted as saying. Everyone on the south-side of the tracks should be concerned about getting to the hospital when trains are blocking the tracks, not just low income seniors. Just as you are entitled to your opinion, so am I. Best thing is more people will be at the meeting, pro or con.
Jill
10:42 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
This proposed housing will be located between a gas station & day care. I don't think I would want to live between those two.
There is no place to walk around there, other than cross a street into Berkots lot.
There aren't any sidewalks in place in the subdivision behind berkots, in fact there aren't many homes, maybe three or four.
I think this property would be better served for commercial. jmo.
judd w. bonamino
2:40 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Not a good location for a 3 story unit. I always thought ranch style housing was what seniors wanted. It looks like the builder wants to cram this complex in. I guess his bottom line is what he's looking at. What happened to the senior housing across from jewel on schoolhouse rd. ?
Michael Sewall
2:57 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
@Judd the last update I have on the Bristol Meadows senior housing you mentioned at Schoolhouse is that the developers were working on getting tax credits for the project.
Lsingersongs
3:45 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Reading actually made me sad. However most of the comments I applaud. Really people these are our parents and grandparents that we are talking about. Background checks? I have to ask how well do you know everyone in your neighborhood? When my Mom moves in can she do a background check on you? Not sure I would want he to live near someone like you...just sayin.
No Name
4:12 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
@Jill: Good call. It's perfect for another commercial property (in-line with the current zoning). Putting a residential complex in that mix isn't ideal.
On another note, the developer (Bolker) seems eager to place additional residences near the shopping plaza, even if they are state-subsidized. There's a reason for that: he was also the developer (and current owner) for the adjacent shopping plaza. Wouldn't he stand to benefit from any increased shopping traffic?
Concerned NL resident
11:54 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Keep in mind that this development is NOT limited to your grandparents from New Lenox and it is not even limited to the New Lenox Township which includes Joliet, Mokena, Homer Glen, unincorporated New Lenox and the Village of New Lenox. Because the developer wants to take Illinois tax payer dollars to build a structure from which HE WILL PROFIT, anyone in the state of Illinois could live there. Further, only the lease holder would have to be 62 and if someones family members move in "to help the senior," who will enforce the rules? You can probably get away with doing a background check on a lease holder, but there is no way you would have any control over those that they choose to move in with them. Keep in mind also that William Bolker would profit from this venture, otherwise he wouldn't be involved ... this is NOT a charitable act on his part. And know also that he wants to use the NOT FOR PROFIT status of Trinity Services in order to get your Illinois tax dollars to build this structure ... in exchange for using the Trinity NFP status, he plans to give them 30% of his profits but he doesn't say how long he will share his profits. I can tell you that he does NOT currently care for the detention pond behind this property; it is often filled with garbage and debris that blows around so I sincerely doubt his putting green concept. Are you in favor of your tax dollars being used to make Mr. Bolker an even richer man?
Kimberly
2:30 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Did you read the same article that I read? I don't see Trinity Services mentioned in the article, or anything about 30% of profits. Did I miss something?
judd w. bonamino
1:18 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Great catch concerned n.l. Resident ! It's all about the money. Home building has slowed and now these developers are coming to the village with these b.s. multidwelling buildings. Mayor Balderman came from Chicago Ridge as did I ask him how the multidwelling worked out there.first hand I will tell you not so good.
Reality
1:43 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Concerned....Most if the developers arent rich anymore... most of them that I know are bankrupt or barely getting by. I dont know of ANY developers giving any of their money/profits to any charity on any project so is this such a bad thing??? This is the same developer who DONATED the downtown bandshell that I think everyone in the city of New Lenox has enjoyed one time or the other. As far as someone moving in the building who is less than reputable give me a break, your next door neighbor could be a axe murderer for all you know. Grow up.
And yes he is in it to make a profit any business owner makes a profit ..or you WONT stay in business.
Concerned NL resident
4:14 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
To Judd -- The article doesn't tell the whole story. At the initial planning meeting on this subject, the Trinity relationship was discussed and it is a matter of public record which can be verified with the village. It sounds fraudulent to me to use a not-for-profit umbrella to get taxpayer monies but I will let the Attorney General look into that.
To Reality -- I live in the real world and you need not tell me to grow up. I AM a senior citizen but I knew when I began getting out of bed and going to work every day for 40 years that I needed to save for my retirement and I did just that. I intend to protect that which I worked long and hard for. Don't stand in judgment of me. Check it out, there will never be a tag day held for William Bolker, his net worth is in the several millions ... again, a matter of public record. You're correct, Mr. Bolker's corporation did build the bandshell but he has also been involved in legal disputes with the village regarding the same ... again, a matter of public record. I don't begrudge Mr. Bolker making money ... I will not, however, allow him to use my tax dollars on a project from which he will profit. He's down in Florida for the winter ... but he'll be back for the next meeting on the 21st ... he can easily afford the airfare!
Michael Sewall
4:20 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
@Concerned NL resident: I wasn't at the initial plan commission hearing on this, but the Trinity Services ownership was discussed briefly during Tuesday's meeting. I didn't include that in the article because there was a lot discussed at the meeting that I wanted to focus on, and that wasn't one of the main points of contention. It is, however, a story I'll be following up on, so thank you for reading.
Reality
5:13 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Concerned,
These tax dollars are there for all to use to build exactly this kind of development, these tax dollars are awarded to different communities/projects based on need and on how accesable the community will be, and other requirments, check it out its a matter of public record. Why shouldnt New Lenox get this kind of development? As far as you working hard every day I dont doubt that and I apologize if I offended you. I myself have my own retirement covered, and will not have to rely on public funds for that purpose. How does building this project affect your retirement though? This money will not come directly from you or New Lenox but from other tax sources.
Many other contractors have used these funds for many many projects for many years (even before the recession)and have made money off these same projects. Why shouldnt a local developer be allowed to do that? It sounds to me like you have an issue with this development itself or with the developer.
As far as other people/family members living with the lease holder there can be rules for that, and if you dont think for one minute that the other seniors living in this building wouldnt know what is going on or who is living in what unit think again.
What public record do you find Bolkers net worth on?
Concerned NL resident
9:05 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Reality, I have many issues with the development; I do not know Mr. Bolker personally. If you care to do so, check out corporationswiki.com and reference Willaim N. Bolker. He has a vested interest in five corporations (that he has reported) according to Dun & Bradstreet (for a fee, more detailed information is available but the site will give you an overview). We built our dreamhome in NL but before doing so we did our homework and investigated the Calistoga subdivision ... single family one-story villas and the 3 acre commercial land between the gas station and the day care center "might be a bank, or a bakery, or maybe a dry cleaning establishment," but no one ever said "it might be subsidized housing" which will lower your property value. This type of development is plentiful in Joliet but seniors don't want to live in them because over time they become dangerous places. I agree whole-heartedly with Marie's comments which follow and I stand by my earlier comment that no tears need to be shed for Mr. Bolker.
Marie
6:47 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
It sure seems typical for this town and developers to overreact to market forces. They all had to rush to get high density subdivisions approved for those ten of thousands of people they imagined were going to move here, they had to build that huge village hall to accomodate their builders, they had to overbuild grade school campuses and new high schools and of course overemploy and overcompensate administrators. Now that growth has stopped (which was naturally going to happen), they are approving the revamping of subdivision plans because now they believe (in their typical knee-jerk way) that apparently thousands of senior citizens will be choosing to live here, so we have what appears to be a rush from developers to cram in senior housing with little concern for the lifestyles and needs of those who would reside there.
I don't blame the developers for trying to get as much as they can; I blame the village trustees for having such low standards and tunnel vision when it comes to development.
judd w. bonamino
12:27 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Marie and Concerned you are both right on the topic. I would love to see you both run for trustees. I have also been drawn into these patch comments but look at the small sample your talking to. We need to start e-mailing the trustees in office they are nuts.
Concerned NL resident
7:58 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Thanks, Judd! I'm finding retirement to be quite boring so far, maybe I should look into the trustee possibility. It is refreshing to find a few people to discuss community issues with in an intelligent manner. I've been on topix.net but it is riddled with ignorance and immaturity. I will continue to go to any/all public hearings regarding subsidized housing in New Lenox in the hope of preventing the social issues that inherently come with it.
judd w. bonamino
12:42 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Concerned keep up the good fight. We can see the direction this village is heading. High rise rentals is NOT where we want to go! Nursing homes Assisted living ok.we can stop the village now it can't get away from us or we can kiss our home values goodbye.
Jill
3:36 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012
I think the Jewel Plaza has more to offer to seniors than the Berkots plaza.
both have groceries, but what else does the Berkots Plaza have that a senior would need? Jewel Plaza has a dentist, hair cutting, and McDonalds.
I think any builder and the village need to think about what is around that seniors would need.
Michael Sewall
3:43 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012
@Jill there is a senior housing development planned for the area by the Jewel Plaza at Schoolhouse and Laraway, but the last I heard they were still working on getting tax credits to help finance the project. Here's a bit more information on that project: http://newlenox.patch.com/articles/after-parking-lot-changes-board-gives-senior-development-green-light
Jill
3:53 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012
I am aware that a development has been planned for the Jewel area.
Again I ask, what is in the Berkots plaza that a senior will need or want other than groceries?
Does anyone on the village board know what a senior citizen needs and wants?
Maybe the should all ask their parents or grandparents to answer that !
JMC
2:07 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Really? You want background checks on the elderly, just because some of them are low income? You shame yourself!